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The Mormon Doctrine of Heavenly Incest and its affects upon incest within the Mormon community
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Darrick
2008-01-08 23:09:51 UTC
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The Doctrine of Heavenly Incest

For many decades Mormon leaders taught that God the Father, an exalted
white man with a human body, came down and had sex with Mary, one of
his spirit-daughters, in order to produce the body of Jesus. Mary was
a "virgin" in the sense that she had sex with God and not with man.
Mormon leaders taught that sex with God was the same as a man having
sex with his own wife. They taught Mary is the daughter-wife of God
the Father. This "Heavenly Incest Doctrine" has never been repudiated.
Many older Mormons, over the age of 50, still believe this doctrine.
Many younger Mormons have never heard of it.

Mormon prophets taught that Jesus was conceived in the same way and
same manner as all human beings are, and that God the Father, an
exalted white man, "came down" and "joined" with Mary, his own spirit-
daughter, to "sire" Jesus in the same way men sire sons.

There have been tens of thousands of Mormon women in the past ten
years who have claimed their Mormon fathers raped them when they were
young girls or teens. Beginning in the early 1980s, many women were
discovering they could "sue" their fathers for sexual exploitation
when they were young girls or teens. Many Mormon women were coming
forward with allegations against their fathers. Many of these men were
now high priests, some of them bishops or former bishops. Some Stake
Presidents, high counsellors, or formerly so.

The LDS Church had to start an "800" number for these women to call;
NOT because they were so concerned with the "problem" but because they
wanted to keep the women from going to the Press or Court, which would
embarass the Church (i.e. the leaders of the Church who consider
themselves "The Church"). At first these men denied all, but when two
or more daughters came forward with the same allegations, local Church
authorities started to hold Church Courts on these men. Most were not
excommunicated, but simply put on Church "probation" (a slap on the
wrist). I know of dozens of cases where Mormon women told thier
bishops that their good Mormon fathers raped them as children or
teens, just to have the bishop call these women "liars".

Mormon men want to become God the Fathers, and, in Mormonism, God the
Father is an exalted white man who, along with multiple wives,
sometimes "steps down from His throne" to have sex with a spirit-
daughter, to produce a Savior for a fallen world he has created. This
sort of doctrine seems to "inspire" many Mormon fathers to "jump the
gun" and begin at home what they plan to do in the eternities.

from MORMONISM INSIDE-OUT (chapter 13)
http://www.angelfire.com/planet/lds/22.html
p***@none.com
2008-01-09 04:48:27 UTC
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On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 15:09:51 -0800 (PST), Darrick
Post by Darrick
The Doctrine of Heavenly Incest
For many decades Mormon leaders taught that God the Father, an exalted
white man with a human body, came down and had sex with Mary, one of
his spirit-daughters, in order to produce the body of Jesus. Mary was
a "virgin" in the sense that she had sex with God and not with man.
Mormon leaders taught that sex with God was the same as a man having
sex with his own wife. They taught Mary is the daughter-wife of God
the Father. This "Heavenly Incest Doctrine" has never been repudiated.
Many older Mormons, over the age of 50, still believe this doctrine.
Many younger Mormons have never heard of it.
Mormon prophets taught that Jesus was conceived in the same way and
same manner as all human beings are, and that God the Father, an
exalted white man, "came down" and "joined" with Mary, his own spirit-
daughter, to "sire" Jesus in the same way men sire sons.
There have been tens of thousands of Mormon women in the past ten
years who have claimed their Mormon fathers raped them when they were
young girls or teens. Beginning in the early 1980s, many women were
discovering they could "sue" their fathers for sexual exploitation
when they were young girls or teens. Many Mormon women were coming
forward with allegations against their fathers. Many of these men were
now high priests, some of them bishops or former bishops. Some Stake
Presidents, high counsellors, or formerly so.
The LDS Church had to start an "800" number for these women to call;
NOT because they were so concerned with the "problem" but because they
wanted to keep the women from going to the Press or Court, which would
embarass the Church (i.e. the leaders of the Church who consider
themselves "The Church"). At first these men denied all, but when two
or more daughters came forward with the same allegations, local Church
authorities started to hold Church Courts on these men. Most were not
excommunicated, but simply put on Church "probation" (a slap on the
wrist). I know of dozens of cases where Mormon women told thier
bishops that their good Mormon fathers raped them as children or
teens, just to have the bishop call these women "liars".
Mormon men want to become God the Fathers, and, in Mormonism, God the
Father is an exalted white man who, along with multiple wives,
sometimes "steps down from His throne" to have sex with a spirit-
daughter, to produce a Savior for a fallen world he has created. This
sort of doctrine seems to "inspire" many Mormon fathers to "jump the
gun" and begin at home what they plan to do in the eternities.
from MORMONISM INSIDE-OUT (chapter 13)
http://www.angelfire.com/planet/lds/22.html
Did you know that Mitt Romney is the result of an incest rape?
Now you do !!!!
John Miles
2008-01-11 02:10:37 UTC
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On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 15:09:51 -0800 (PST), Darrick
Post by Darrick
The Doctrine of Heavenly Incest
For many decades Mormon leaders taught that God the Father, an exalted
white man with a human body, came down and had sex with Mary[....]
Garbage in, garbage out.
--
"Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down
to their level, then beat you with experience." --anon
John Manning
2008-01-11 14:21:57 UTC
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On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 15:09:51 -0800 (PST), Darrick
Post by Darrick
The Doctrine of Heavenly Incest
For many decades Mormon leaders taught that God the Father, an exalted
white man with a human body, came down and had sex with Mary[....]
Garbage in, garbage out.
Apparently Mr. Miles considers what his prophets and leaders say to be
garbage:


"The birth of the Saviour was as natural as are the births of our
children; it was the result of natural action. He partook of flesh and
blood – was begotten of his Father, as we were of our fathers.”

- Prophet Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, v. 8, p. 115


"... I believe the Father came down from heaven, as the apostles said he
did, and begat the Saviour of the world; for he is the ONLY-begotten of
the Father, which could not be if the Father did not actually beget him
in person.... I believe the Father came down in His tabernacle and begat
Jesus Christ."

- Prophet Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, v. 1, p. 238


"... In relation to the way in which I look upon the works of God and
his creatures, I will say that I was naturally begotten; so was my
father, and also my Saviour Jesus Christ. According to the Scriptures,
he is the first begotten of his father in the flesh, and there was
noting unnatural about it.”

- Apostle Heber C. Kimball, Journal of Discourses, v. 8, p. 211


"God, the Father of our spirits, became the Father of our Lord Jesus
Christ according to the flesh.... The fleshy body of Jesus required a
Mother as well as a Father. Therefore, the Father and Mother of Jesus,
according to the flesh, must have been associated together in the
capacity of Husband and Wife; hence the Virgin Mary must have, for the
time being, the lawful wife of God the Father.... He had a lawful right
to overshadow the Virgin Mary in the capacity of a husband, and beget a
Son, although she was espoused to another; for the law which He gave to
govern men and women, was not intended to govern Himself, or to
prescribe rules for his own conduct."

- Apostle Orson Pratt, The Seer, p. 158


"Now, we are told in scriptures that Jesus Christ is the only begotten
Son of God in the flesh. Well, now for the benefit of the older ones,
how are children begotten? I answer just as Jesus Christ was begotten
of the flesh... Jesus is the only person who had our Heavenly Father as
the father of his body."

- Prophet Joseph F. Smith, Family Home Evening Manual, pp. 125, 126, 1972


"Christ Not Begotten of Holy Ghost... Christ was begotten of God. He
was not born without the aid of Man, and that Man was God!"

- Prophet Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, v. 1, p. 18,
1954


"Christ was Begotten by an immortal Father in the same way that mortal
men are begotten by mortal fathers."

- Apostle Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, p. 547, 1966


"And Christ was born into the world as the literal Son of this Holy
Being; he was born in the same personal, real, and literal sense that
any mortal son is born to a mortal father. There is nothing figurative
about his paternity; he was begotten, conceived and born in the normal
and natural course of events, for he is the Son of God, and that
designation means what it says.”

- Apostle Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, p. 792, 1966


"As far as this life is concerned, [Jesus] was born of Mary and of
Elohim; he came here as an offspring of that Holy Man who is literally
our Father in heaven. He was born in mortality in the literal and full
sense as the Son of God. He is the Son of his father in the same sense
that all morals are the sons and daughters of their fathers.”

- Apostle Bruce R. McConkie, Mortal Messiah, v. 1, p. 330


"The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints proclaims that Jesus
Christ is the Son of God in the most literal sense. The body in which
He performed His mission in the flesh was sired by that some Holy Being
we worship as God, our Eternal Father. Jesus was not the son of Joseph,
nor was He begotten by the Holy Ghost.”

- Prophet Ezra Taft Benson, The Teachings of Ezra Taft Benson, p. 7
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